Courtesy of fox news: King Claims Common Ground With White House on Islam Hearings, Blames CAIR for Backlash
I have studied for the past several years many aspects if Islam and contemplated about Muhammad's caravan raiding and the fighting between the early Muslims, the Meccans and the local tribes, and, have come to the conclusion that the actions of Muhammad, the Companions, and their followers do not show any divine influence whatsoever.
For example, after the first caravan raid the followers were told by Muhammad that they could take all of the property from the raid and enslave the people from it and divide it among themselves. They only needed to give Muhammad 20% of the loot. So here we have a man who proclaims himself to be a prophet of god who is actually profiting from the things that he claims god is telling him to do.
Some may argue that the 20% is not for Muhammad himself but instead it is for this new government he was putting in place in Medina. Some might say that it supported Muhammad and his 13 or 14 wives and the rest was alms given to the poor and needy. In the case of the caravan raiding and tribes they attacked, the most needy were those who were taken as slaves. And yet no charity was shown to them.
In the Battle of the Ditch, Muhammad had 900 men and teen boys beheaded in one night. Their women and children had to witness this. Muhammad and his men took the women and children as slaves. According to several ahadith, the next day Muhammad allowed his men to rape the women. The story goes that Muhammad took the most beautiful woman from the tribe, now a widow for himself. According to Islamic law, a man has sexual rights to his female slaves. So after a night of watching every teen and adult man these women loved slaughtered, they were brutally raped.
And these are only two of the horrible stories from the qur’an and ahadith. The first time I read about all of this in the ahadith I was actually physically ill for days. The stories are horrible, the ahadith celebrate this brutality was wise and wonderful.
I do not see the hand of god in any of this. I would have been impressed if Muhammad had come up with something that brought peaceful resolution instead of such war and violence.
I am familiar with the arguments of atheists and many of the apologists and appeasers.... We know that in parts of the Old Testament there is some pretty bad violence is supposedly ordered by god. That was many centuries before the birth of Christ. After the message brought by Christ, i do not believe that god would then call on people to do such violence. Instead the message would be more in line with the teachings of Christ.
But this is not a discussion about Christ in this thread.
Al-Salaam السلام
Your friendly infidel
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The nation's largest Muslim advocacy group and other organizations are stoking opposition to a hearing planned later this week in Washington which will delve into the threat posed by Islamic radicalization.what say you, for or against?
But Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee hosting the hearing, said Monday that he's on the same page as the White House when it comes to addressing that threat and engaging moderates in the American Muslim community.
"I'm not going to give into political correctness. I'm going ahead," King told Fox News.
Ahead of Thursday's hearing, hundreds of protesters gathered Sunday in Times Square to accuse King of unfairly targeting Muslims. The event featured celebrities like hip hop mogul Russell Simmons and was backed by a slew of religious organizations and leaders.
King, though, pinned blame for the backlash on the Council on American Islamic Relations. Noting CAIR's history as an "unindicted co-conspirator" in a terrorist funding case, King said CAIR is exactly the kind of group Muslim leaders should "push aside."
I have studied for the past several years many aspects if Islam and contemplated about Muhammad's caravan raiding and the fighting between the early Muslims, the Meccans and the local tribes, and, have come to the conclusion that the actions of Muhammad, the Companions, and their followers do not show any divine influence whatsoever.
For example, after the first caravan raid the followers were told by Muhammad that they could take all of the property from the raid and enslave the people from it and divide it among themselves. They only needed to give Muhammad 20% of the loot. So here we have a man who proclaims himself to be a prophet of god who is actually profiting from the things that he claims god is telling him to do.
Some may argue that the 20% is not for Muhammad himself but instead it is for this new government he was putting in place in Medina. Some might say that it supported Muhammad and his 13 or 14 wives and the rest was alms given to the poor and needy. In the case of the caravan raiding and tribes they attacked, the most needy were those who were taken as slaves. And yet no charity was shown to them.
In the Battle of the Ditch, Muhammad had 900 men and teen boys beheaded in one night. Their women and children had to witness this. Muhammad and his men took the women and children as slaves. According to several ahadith, the next day Muhammad allowed his men to rape the women. The story goes that Muhammad took the most beautiful woman from the tribe, now a widow for himself. According to Islamic law, a man has sexual rights to his female slaves. So after a night of watching every teen and adult man these women loved slaughtered, they were brutally raped.
And these are only two of the horrible stories from the qur’an and ahadith. The first time I read about all of this in the ahadith I was actually physically ill for days. The stories are horrible, the ahadith celebrate this brutality was wise and wonderful.
I do not see the hand of god in any of this. I would have been impressed if Muhammad had come up with something that brought peaceful resolution instead of such war and violence.
I am familiar with the arguments of atheists and many of the apologists and appeasers.... We know that in parts of the Old Testament there is some pretty bad violence is supposedly ordered by god. That was many centuries before the birth of Christ. After the message brought by Christ, i do not believe that god would then call on people to do such violence. Instead the message would be more in line with the teachings of Christ.
But this is not a discussion about Christ in this thread.
Al-Salaam السلام
Your friendly infidel
كافر
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There are many examples of Muhammad's (pbuh) theft, plunder, and war-profiteering, drawn from Ibn Ishaq (Islam's earliest biographer of Muhammad, and historian), al-Tabari (a slightly later historian, often argued by Muslims to be their greatest), and al-Bukhari (a Sahih Hadith collector accepted by all Sunni schools of jurisprudence as second in authority only to the Quran):
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Ishaq:285 "Then the Apostle went raiding in the month of Rabi u'l-Awwal making for the Quraysh. Then he raided the Quraysh by way of Dinar."
Tabari IX:122 "Muhammad sent Uyaynah to raid The Banu Anbar. They killed some people and took others captive. Asma was one of the women taken prisoner."
Ishaq:289 "Muhammad summoned the Muslims and said, 'This is the Quraysh caravan containing their property. Go out and attack it. Perhaps Allah will give it to us as prey."
Sahih Bukhari V4B52N 301: Narrated Anas: The Prophet performed 'Umra, setting out from Al-Jarana where he distributed the war booty of Hunain.
The Qur’an can be divided into Meccan and Medinan periods. During the early Meccan period, Muhammad’s recitations were tolerant and peaceful. Muhammad was an up and coming prophet of a new monotheistic religion in a city of polytheistic pagans, Jews, and Christians. Muhammad wanted desperately for people to listen to him.
In his early days, Muhammad was odd man out in Mecca. He was laughed and and ridiculed. The Kaaba had over 360 pagan gods that were worshiped there. The recitations that he brought forth in Mecca were for the most part pleas that the unbelievers listen to him as God's prophet.
After his journey to Medina, Muhammad’s recitations and rhetoric changed.
Muhammad took to raiding Meccan caravans and amassing wealth and power. His power grew with each military victory. He became more powerful and quite frankly began not to care about influence over the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) as he had a power-base of career criminals and thugs.
Surahs directed toward unbelievers became more hateful. I would like to point out that Surah 5, commands ALL Muslims to refrain from taking ANY Jews and Christians for friends and protectors. Surah 9, cranked it up a notch with the caveat to bring harm and death to the Mushrikun and/or exhort Jizya (poll tax).
A little love from Muhammad's Qur'anic revelations...
Qur'an 8.12 & 8.13
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YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
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YUSUFALI: This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment.
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